The many facets of "How to Raise a Kid"

The Venerable Jai

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I've noticed in the media a lot of attention about new laws going into affect that ban corporal punishment. Essentially, they want to make it illegal to physically discipline your children.

I have mixed feelings about this.

At this time, I'm going to share a bit of insight into my own childhood. You might not agree with everything that was done to me, but it made me a better person and I can't deny that in anyway.

As a child, both of my parents had completely different ideas of how to punish me for ill behavior. My father was a fan of physical punishment. If I f'ed up as a kid, dad took out his tough leather belt (affectionately named "Hubert") and gave me a "whupping" for my err in judgement.

Mother was more of a fan of grounding. Except, she wouldn't just send me to my room where I could play nintendo or talk on the phone like other kids. No. She'd take my toys, television, video games, comic books, and basically anything else I considered "fun" out, lock it in the attic, and leave me in there with nothing but my bed and school or educational books.

So who had the better method? My mother, of course.

I was so glad to hear my father was going to punish me when I was a child. I'd get a spanking, it'd hurt for 5 or 10 minutes, and then I got to go on with my life. With mom, I'd be stuck in Hell for 2 days to 2 weeks, depending on how severe whatever I did was.

My father, seeing that this was working, stopped spanking me and decided to use mom's idea of punishment.

By the time I was 10 years old, I was one of the most well-behaved children anybody in my neighborhood knew. I still had little mistakes, here and there and I'd still be punished, but mostly, I was a responsible child.

My parents divorced when I was 11 and at first, I went to stay with my mom. She taught me how to cook and clean for myself, because sometimes she had to work late and I'd need to wash my own clothes or make dinner for myself.

I stayed there a couple of years and finally returned to my father. He was remarried and I had what you could consider a proper family until he and his second wife divorced. Then he got married again for a year and they split up. My father's job took him out of state weekly, so by the time I was 14, I was pretty much on my own.

I had to clean and cook for myself, maintain the house-hold...basically do everything except work for the money to pay my own bills. After a couple of years, my father learned to trust me and started treating me less like a child. None of the other parents in the neighborhood liked this because their children used me as an example everytime they wanted more responsibility/freedom than their parents were willing to give them.

I don't think people should be allowed to physically discipline their children in public. My mother was a firm believers of "punish in private, praise in public." She never corrected me or said one cross word to me in front of anyone else...she'd wait until it was just us. My father, on the other hand, was tactless and didn't care. It was the source of a lot of resentment between me and him and really hindered our parent/child relationship when I was younger.

I was more likely to be disobedient to my father even after he switched to my mother's method of punishment because I hated being corrected in public and, when it happened, I always figured, "Well, I'm going to be grounded anyway, so why not raise as much Hell as I can now?" Mom never had that problem with me. It's only now-a-days I realize that the source of my anger was my embarassment.

The point of my story is parents should be allowed to raise their children however they want, so long as it doesn't harm anyone else. There's a difference between physically disciplining your child and beating them. And while I think physical discipline is FAR INFERIOR to other methods, if a parent believes it will work best for their child, they should be able to apply it without fear of the government interfereing.
 
Well Jai I agree with you on the whole but I do disagree with one aspect that perhaps you did not factor in on. That happens to be that punishment such as grounding works when the child acctualy cares about that kind of thing. See I was raised with first the slap/spanking when I was young and I mean real young like 3-5 Certainyl my parents tried alternatives durring that period and found that taking away my toys including throwing them out ( I lost many of the original released Star Wars Toys) didn't phase me in the least till I was about six. Of course after that it was a fate worse than death in my opinion at the time.

Concerning the tact of punishing a child in private or public, I found that punishment in front of people such as a spanking for misbehaving because of the bruised ego was far more a retardent to bad behavior than doing it in private.
 
Yeah

But everything I said above was in regards to my own childhood and children raised similar to how I was. I'll be the first to admit that there's never a catch-all way to raise a child.

Some children, as you stated, don't care about loss of privileges. Some children don't care about slappings/spankings. Some children just don't care, period, for whatever reason (I had a cousin that, as a child, was an unholy terror until they put him on Ritalinâ„¢).

You have to find whatever method works for you. I do intend on raising my children by the standards I was raised by. Of course, I now know which buttons to push to ensure that they do care about privileges and effective methods of manipulating them without damaging their self-confidence.
 
I think we can dispense with everyone saying 'I know there is a difference between child abuse and corporal punishment, and i don't believe in abuse, but...' or something similar. That just goes without saying. So with that in mind, lets jump into the meat of the topic.

I've always been a believer in 'Spare the rod, Spoil the child'. However, I've thought of the rod as being any sort of punishment. If your child responds better to a spanking than he does to grounding, then go with that. If not, explore your alternatives until you find something that does work.

The worst possible thing would be for a child to have no discipline at all. When that happens, you get spoiled brats, who don't know how to control themselves. In Canada, its already illegal to spank your child. I don't agree with that, and if I had a kid, and I felt he needed a spanking, I'd be damn sure to give him one, and to hell with what the government thinks. However, I would try to raise my child in a fashion where such a thing wouldn't be needed.

There's no such thing as a bad kid. Just bad parents. Kids come into the world without any preconceived notions. They only learn what we teach them, and if we fail to teach them something, they don't learn it.

Don't wait until your kid is 16 to start trying to teach dicipline. Start early, and it will be a simple process farther down the road.
 
Well said, Sj.

I have to disagree with you on the "bad kid" thing, though. But it would probably serve better to call them "special cases." Like my aforementioned relative who needed Ritalin™ to properly behave.

Momentarily off-topic, I think we're giving a lot of children medication these days that don't need it. Some of them do, however.

Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), Attention Deficit Hyper-Active Disorder (ADHD), and Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) are real.

They are not a prevalent as the pharmaceutical industry and psychologist would have you believe, but they do exist. And if your child actually has one of these disorders, then (from first-hand, personal experience repeated in groups of no less than 30 and witnessed in a facility that houses more than 200 such problem youths) you will not be able to effectively discipline your child until these problems are attended to.
 
Allow me to state that children with legitimate biochemical, physical disorders are excused, and they need special treatment. But otherwise, my statement stands true. If you don't want your kid to get ADD, give him a book instead of a TV. You'll be paying for it by having to buy glasses and contacts later on, but thats a helluva lot cheaper than ritalin

If you want to get into overmedication, start a new thread.
 
I concure with everything said by jai in his last post. And almost everything Sj said in his last post. However Books from my encounters do not nessacerily prevent people from getting true ADD.
 
My son is 9, he is autistic. How ever just because he is different it does not mean he gets to pull crap and get away with it. I'm also currently raising my sister's 13 yr old daughter and 17 yr old son while she is stationed in egpyt. All three kids are punished the same way... Grounded. No tv,games,toys, driving the car( the 17yr old) going any where,no phone etc. anything fun is off limits tell the grounding is lifted. 1 week is stiff to them, 1 month is a living hell... As a parent, I can tell you that grounding a child is just as hard on the parent as it is on the child.I hate feeling like a jail warden, but grounding stays in the memorie for a long time, a spanking doesn't.


On a side note : Out of curiosity, how many people here have children of their own ?
 
I believe that would be you, and T Virus, and thats it. At least as far as my memory allows.
 
I know someone is going to bitch at me for saying this, but --

You can speak on how to raise a child tell your blue in the face, but until you have a child, you don't know how well your ideas are going to work or not work. Each child is different so generic child raising isn't going to work for all.
 
I as a child was beat by both parents for doing something wrong. The most minor thing could bring just slap to my father using his belt until my mother would pull him off.
To anyone who thinks hitting your child will make them listen and behave, you are greatly mistaken.
No matter how bad I was beat, I only continued to do things I shouldn't.
Actually, the more I got hit the more I would do things I Knew would cause my parents to hurt me more,*shrugs*
But then again, my parents never "talked" they never tried to understand nor would they ever want to listen.
 
Madi I agree with you. Practical experience is nessacery to test any theory or plan. Simply debating it doesn't mean any of us are right, yet for those of us with out the possability or desire to gain practical experience yet, the only thing we can do is theorize. However I think most people will attempt to emmulate what worked on them as children and avoid what didn't.
 
The thing is, some of us have part-time practical experience (I was a live-in nanny for one of my aunt's once), but it by far doesn't equate to full-time practical experience of real parents.

Of course, my aunt's kids were 3 and 4 years old and they were scared to death of me. All I had to do was give them a stern word or two and they quaked with fear. They're probably going to hate me when they grow up. lol

Some children I've seen verbal commands work on. It's rare, though. And it only effectively works on really young children.
 
The key is to teach them to respect your words when they are young...But let me tell you, raising teenagers is a headache all to it's self ..eh T ?
 
you can have parenting experience without having your own children. Perhaps not as detailed or in depth, but still, its easy to see when something is being done wrong.

It is difficult to see when something is being done right though. go figure.
 
You do what you're told or you don't get any ice cream!

In response to the topic, however, I do not agree with using excessive force. We do spank them, if circumstances are appropriate for it. However, we also talk to them and use several other methods of punishment. Spanking is the last option. We also reassure them on a regular basis, and make sure they know we love them through both words and actions.

If your only solution to a problem with your child is to spank them, you have a serious problem. They need many levels of punishment for the different types of offenses.
 
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