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I've been talking to Mith and SJ about what we could do to gain/keep the interest of new members.
Now of course we all know RP is the main goal, but I had suggested perhaps changing the over all look (add some color), different layout, and just adding some fluff.
Now please know I'm not trying to step on any ones toes here, Nor am I trying to change Org.

The first thing someone sees when clicking the link is the over all look of the forum. Then they may go and check out what the forum has to offer. Yes they will be checking out the active RP's, but besides that they want more, something fun that will keep them interested and returning.
It has been my experience that alot of the younger members enjoy the fluff. Things like ranks, icons for each rank, effects shop, and the scroll which shows the newest posts and such.

So, after talking to Mith and SJ about this they suggested I make a thread and get everyones opinion.

Input please........
 
well I've been a pretty long follower of ayenee.
And the first thing that comes to mind is, A, we have the peanut gallery for rants(if any)

B. If we were to do the whole "Scrolling" look we'd be asking for trouble from ayenee.com! Why? because .com already has a working running scrolling bar.

C.If we were to try and invent a rant board, it would be a "Very" bad idea indeed and all we need for proof of that is rob's dante's inferno. Now I hold nothing but respect for rob and his boards, therefore that is all I'm going to say on that particular subject.

D.Effects shop? Your going to have to be "Quite" a bit more clear and comprehensive on that particular subject because I honestly haven't got a clue what you mean by effects shop.

Why not try inventing a puzzle or interactive online multiplayer(free for members) game that entices young roleplayers and keeps them around?
Obviously, no one else as far as I know, has "attempted" that approach.
 
To be quite honest, an effects shop would be a nice addition to this forum. Yes, I'm aware that there is such a shop on Com, but who cares? They shouldn't be too phased by having another shop of the same kind here.

Ullery, many forums have the scrollbar, and simply because we're somewhat connected to Com doesn't mean its a rule of law to not have the scrollbar showing how many posts that have been made since one has last logged in. The addition of such a feature on these forums is actually much needed IMHO.

The overall layout as it looks now is alright, but something to spruce things up a little more wouldn't hurt. Maybe some turqouise colouring on the outside bordering of the forum window.
 
And the first thing that comes to mind is, A, we have the peanut gallery for rants(if any)
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I wasn't so much saying "change" the boards. What I suggested was a face lift more or less with some extras thrown in.

B. If we were to do the whole "Scrolling" look we'd be asking for trouble from ayenee.com! Why? because .com already has a working running scrolling bar.
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My response to this is the same as Richards/Raharanor. There are many a forum which have these effects, options, functions.

The Effects shop is something where one can add color to their user name, glow, or shadow effect as well. Now I don't know of this "is"something that can be done or not. It was a suggestion if it is possible, but only the Admin and Technical staff can answer that question, as well as having a scroll.

There was one thing as well that one of the members here had an interest in and that was D&D rp. Ayenee stands for free form, but that doesn't mean a section can't be added if there was an interest in this style of RP.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained guys.
 
I tend to be a very minimalist person.

So my reply to requests for a scrolling effect, or a shop is 'why?'. I don't see what purpose they serve, or what problem they solve. I don't like things that move on web pages. They are nothing but a distraction for what I want to obtain from the site I'm visiting.

I haven't seen someone say that it is something they would personally find useful. I hear it being suggested as a possible lure for people who may or may not show up. I don't think its a good lure. I think its a waste of time right now.

My opinion is that frilly things like this will not draw people in a meaningful way. They might show up, but they won't stay, unless we have something that keeps them here. And right now, we don't.
 
Always the pessimest Sj. I think a scroller may not be a good idea per say but it does bring up something we used to have on the old boards. What I am refering to was a button/link that took you to a page that showed all new posts that had been posted since your last visit. Although I am certainly not sure how much work it would take to get that thing to work.

Colors on the other hand for names I am not sure how that can be done as an automated system. There is a way to do it via the Admin sections control but that's for an member groups not indiviuals. As for ranks that would be a reletivly easy thing to add if we base it off of the amount of posts a person has posted.
 
You'd be surprised how often I am optimistic, per se.

New Posts link in the middle of the navigation bar at the top of the screen will show new posts since your last visit.

I haven't done any research on the colors thing. But if you want me to, I can.

As a member, I am against the ranks system. It says that we place some kind of value on how many posts you make, rather than on the quality of posts. This community has always held that to be false.
 
So it is....well shit. I had never noticed it before. You do have a valid arguement for the rank system based on quanity of posts versus the quality, so then anyone how would we use a rank system then ?
 
It says that we place some kind of value on how many posts you make, rather than on the quality of posts.
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Good point SJ.
Perhaps let members give some suggestions for different group titles they would like created?
 
I agree with Sj on both the scrolling option and on the ranking system.

The first thing I see when I go to .com is the scroll bar, and it hasn't really helped me much in the past in attempting to find particular things I wanted to find.

Secondly, I strongly agree on sj's point about the ranking system.
Granted it's nice that com has it and all, but is it really something that.org
wants to see?

If it does come down to it however, Change the stature of it.

Heck you could base some of the ranking system down from a military standpoint, And/or you could base it off a dungeons and dragons standpoint.

I.e. paladin, Dragon, Dragonrider, Wolf, Wolf rider, Ghost, quester.
etc etc.
If you really and I mean in all respects. "Really" want to do that, then I'd highly recommend one of those two fields considering that our "Roleplaying Forums" are based highly on the advanced technical, and on the medevil(fantasy) era.

Or you could pull in world of darkness representation.
And if you need "That" kind of help, I could pull out all the flipping books I own from the "old" age system in order to help give you names for different ranks.

One last thing I forgot to add when I posted this was to do with that Shop idea.

To be perfectly honest with you, as neat as it sounds. I haven't yet once visited .com's shop.
it doesn't mean I don't like the idea, I'm kind of interested now that your talking about it.
But is it something that's "Really" and I mean really, going to make roleplayers want to "hang" and "be" one of our community members? Or is it just an attraction that's only going to make them stop by, and do nothing else?
 
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Heck you could base some of the ranking system down from a military standpoint, And/or you could base it off a dungeons and dragons standpoint.
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Well, there's a wide range of ways in which we can approach the development of the rankings system as Ullery outlined above, and that choice eliminates some rigidity in the process of creation. Now, what do I think could be a good rankings system for Org? Well, I've outlined it below as follows:

Initiate, Valet, Acolyte, Soldier, Guardian, Warrior, Noble of Heart, Grand Captain, Royalty, Dragonrider, Young Dragon, Mature Dragon, Elder Dragon

Now the above is only an outline of what it could be in regards to rank creation, but obviously, I really like my creation there ;) .

But is it something that's "Really" and I mean really, going to make roleplayers want to "hang" and "be" one of our community members? Or is it just an attraction that's only going to make them stop by, and do nothing else?
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I'd be one of the first to admit that having one feature alone that draws members in would be a spectacular blunder as we need to integrate the interest that a feature such as the shop draws with the other features that make NewAyenee.org the place to visit often and to enjoy oneselves.
 
"Initiate, Valet Noble of Heart, Grand Captain, Royalty"(Quoted by Raharanor)

I'm not quite sure that these above that I have re-stated are suitable in the question of either medevil or of the military fashion Rah.

Honestly, have you ever heard a medevil realm using the words of a valet or an initiate?

Granted that Royalty does come along in the genre perfectly. But just "Royalty" by itself isn't quite "Defining" the nail on the head.

Royalty could stand for any of a number of classes of royal blood.
Being royal however doesn't specify "What" actual faction one belongs to.

Noble of heart, now that one strikes my imagination a bit. But why have just noble of heart? Why not have that, plus Noble of Virtue or Noble of good imaginings or even Noble of the darkest touch?

See? being noble, is a wonderful quality. But names like that often make me have to ask. Well, What does it mean?

Now lastly, Grand Captain.
Well, grand captain of what?
See?
You have to have a specific title and that is not quite specific enough my friend.
Being a grand captain, is well, what? grand?
If I do sound at all rude in this post, then I appologize, but I am actually trying to be as humble and sincere as possible.

Being a grand captain, doesn't quite tell me what the title is.
Now if it were oh, grand captain of the guards, or something of that caliber, then I could say "Ah! now I see what he means!" But as it stands like this my friend, I'm afraid I can't make heads or tails of it.

Other then these few mentioned above that I've given reasons towards.
The rest all seem like suitable, decently designed names for a ranking system.

Who knows, If this ranking system is approved of, Perhaps I and Raharanor shall put our two heads together in the creation of the ranking system.
But with a more....friendly approach to it.

There are quite the often-times that Raharanor and myself both agree on a lot of topics. So as far as "working" together would go, we could make it work for us quite well.

And if I run out of ideas and he does as well, then I shall perhaps enlist the mightyness of feline quality from the feline one. Whom I know for a fact would probably be more then willing to aid myself and mr.Raharanor.

Heck, even if you were to put myself with the feline one to come up with this ranking system, You would still probably find that the two of us can work together on a project with "hardly" any problems whatsoever.

I am happy to have both Raharanor and Madam Sinful as friends. And I am most pleased to say, that I would work with either of them, in a heartbeat on this particular project.
 
I'm very happy to work with you, Ullery, in sorting out the intracies of the ranking system and developing it to a high standard. The ranks that I listed in my previous post are simply prototypes, and I expected them to be argued out and possibly improved upon. It was a 'on the spur of the moment' kind of thing really.

I'm sure, however, that everyone on this thread and in this community can come up with something that will make NewAyenee.org the place to be!
 
Okay, getting back to the scroll bar idea.

For those of you still convinced on "Achieving" the scroll bar idea, I have a very First hand look for you to take in before you decide the proverbial ladder.

Go to the "Very" first page of .org and look at the list and style that we have .org's various areas in.

Then look towards the top carefully.

Now, see what's wrong with this picture?

First off we have list after list of areas, that's fine, that works.

But more importantly, do you see the top of .org's first page?

If you do, you'll see the big Ayenee.org sign, followed underneath by your User cp and all that, and that will be followed by some other stuff in white.

Now, that right there is my serious point in the flawed planning of the scroll bar.
Unlike.com and "other" places.
Our style and our texture is not going to allow us to just Stick a scroll bar up at the top.
Why?
Because A. We don't got a single opened space up there that isn't already "nearly" filled with writing and so on.
B. The Length-size of a Scroll bar is going to be a medium to large.
Our board's format doesn't even meet that criteria in the sense of how things look currently.
C.The scrollbar, honestly does not do a darn thing to help keep our attracted audience and even if it did, HOW on earth are we going to make it possible for the scroll bar to detect "Every" single new post from every single area?
There's just Too many areas for us to do that.
Even if we did fit it like .com's got, we'd still have the problem that the scroll bar isn't going to fit our particular style.

D.If we do incorporate the scroll bar, that would be a very big mistake on our parts. Don't look of it as a facelift, Look at it as not being something that even the older versions of ayenee would do.
For .com it works, because he's got a different style to all the boards.
We have a versatile style with an unusual color scheme, and if we put this scroll bar into the living realm of our board. It is not going to keep audiences happy, it is not going to be able to keep up with the constant stream of new posts every single day. And it is not going to even generate enough traffic of roleplayers, to keep them happy here.
Think of it this way, For all those places that "Do" have scroll bars, how much more popular are they then when they didn't have one?
and now ask yourself this question, do we really want one bad enough to go against everything that ayenee stands for?
We honestly don't need one. We've never had one before. Why try to create something that's going to take a lot of knowhow, a lot of painstaking figuring out, and a lot of space, if it's not actually even going to be useful?

Charmed, I hold you in the highest respect possible, and your idea is a good thing. It just isn't what ayenee stands or ever stood for.
Just because rob and other potential ayenee arena's fighting for dominace have it, doesn't mean that it's actually useful and that it works for the better of the community.

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to put my hammer down on this one with a firm N.O.
 
OK, having been around quite a few vBulletin (the type of forums we use) I will address some things.

The Scroll Bar: What, if any, is the purpose of the scroll bar? To show you the most recent posts? The new post button (as SJ has pointed out) already shows you that. Not to mention, the default forum view shows you the latest post in every subforum.

Ranking System: As for a way to implement a quality over quantity system, I may have a way to do that, I will discuss it with SJ when we are both drunk (that is the only time anything happens on this board, btw).


User Level: Sorry guys, but I would seriously not want to use any ranking system based on fantasy things. For one, I would feel like a giant homosexual. Besides that, not everyone here plays fantasy. I don't. I think if we do use a ranking system, it should be something much more general in nature.

Effects Shop: I think these type of things, in general, tend to promote useless posts in an attempt to get things. I am pretty sure we could give a user what ever type of title they want (possibly even formatting) without making them post 500 times.

More Active Board: If you want to see .Org grow, then post more. Make more plots. Share the love. Or something.

(PS, posting drunk, don't mind me if I hate on any of you. die in a fire)
 
Nothing on fantasy?

And I mean not a thing?

Uh look around you ceros, half of our boards are based on a sub to moderate level of fantasy settings.

Anyhow, how bout a compromise? I'll listen to your idea for a workable system alongside my collegue mr.Raharanor.
In exchange, I still want to at least see "one" speck of fantasy with the word "Dragon" in it.

How's that sound? I'm willing to make fair and decent compromises.
 
S.J. posted:
As a member, I am against the ranks system.
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Ullery posted:
I agree with Sj on both the scrolling option and on the ranking system.
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Why are you still going on about ranks when no seemed interested in the idea, not even yourself.
 
not ranks. Title name.

Difference.....isn't there?*looks back.*

I dunno, maybe I'm thinking something else?

Okay it's official I'm freaking confused now!
 
To come up with rant titles we should visit SJ's fav. word game site lol sloganizer.net.
And I like the shop idea of it's worked like the one at .Com where posts made in rp forums (only) gain you points for such thing a color changing, title changing, shading words, little icons, ect.
( I'm a little drunk so ask me more on this later)
 
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